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*Sort of solved re Cairo dock* How to position dock at bottom of screen covering/overlaying/overlapping bottom of screen taskbar?
rogerwilco English 9 rogerwilco [Read]
13 September 2018 à 09:17

rogerwilco, Tuesday 24 July 2018 à 20:44 | Quote


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Hi all,

I'd say that I did quite some extensive searching to find an answer to my question. I came to the conclusion that the best thing is to ask right here as apparently my search terms weren't the best. Maybe this is due to English not being my first language or that certain search terms I used didn't seem to be precise enough, as although they expressed exactly what I meant, but led me in the wrong direction. But enough rambling

What I'd like to know is:
How can I have and keep the default Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon's taskbar at the bottom of the screen,
- install cairo dock 3.4.1 and
- make cairo dock show up at the bottom of the screen as well BUT on top (as in covering/overlaying/hiding parts of the taskbar while dock is being displayed before disappearing again)? Please see draft picture below.

I know that I could use some vertical offset to have the task bar not sitting on top of the dock (with setting "show at bottom of screen") and move the dock just the needed amount of pixels upwards. But that is not what I am looking for.

And "yes", I would like to have both the task bar and the dock at the bottom of the screen and when the dock is triggered to appear by the mouse movement touching the bottom of the screen I would like to have it show up like this:

Quick 'n dirty GIMP job
https://preview.ibb.co/fYBPoo/taskbarndock.jpg" alt="https://preview.ibb.co/fYBPoo/taskbarndock.jpg" border="0"/>

Thanks a lot in advance for all tips that'll help me achieve this.

- rogerwilco

rogerwilco, Wednesday 01 August 2018 à 22:37 | Quote


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OK, unfortunately posting questions on this forum seems to lead nowhere if one seeks answers.


Another 6 days later:
I regard no reply at all as a clear sign of: "this forum is dead." and that it does not make sense to post questions here.

SQP, Sunday 26 August 2018 à 13:42 | Quote


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Hello. It was impossible to see anything useful in the spam nightmare.
I took quite some time to clean it, so I will only start really answering messages in one or two weeks, after my next commits.
I really need to make updated packages of my development version of the dock first.

rogerwilco, Monday 03 September 2018 à 07:57 | Quote


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Hello SQP,

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your reply!

Maybe the following post which I have made to the linuxmint forum will give a better idea of what I have in mind.
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=208&t=275673

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards
rogerwilco

SQP, Tuesday 04 September 2018 à 19:23 | Quote


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Hey. Thanks too for such a nicely documented request.

I'm not sure I can do much on the dock side. Have you tried "Always on top" or "Reserve space for dock" ?
Another idea is to try to use a transparent background on cinnamon taskbar.

Or hack the cinnamon taskbar "desktop level", I'm not sure how it's called (remove the forced above) with something like devilspie

The problem might be that both programs are set to force above, and the one set above is the one getting the focus.

On my side, the panel view is in a rewrite to allow cleaner separator holes and more tweaking on their size (what you'd like in your taskbar).

As curiosity, what do you like in the taskbar that's not provided by the dock ? And have you tried a dock on the side to complement your taskbar ? (I have a really static dock on the left and a hidden session taskbar on top as backup because my dev dock can crash)

And I can answer in french if it's easier for you.

Guest, Tuesday 04 September 2018 à 21:20 | Quote

Hi,

I have to admit that the request is not the first iteration but thanks. My first ones weren't that accurate and led to conversations that went into wrong directions.

I kind of started to assume that it would turn out to be Cinnamon having the final say over which application gets to keep the top level in terms of the window "layers" - as it IS the desktop environment.
I tried to find some switches in the Cinnamon DE and just started looking at the dconf-Editor. I have not dived into the deeptest dephts of Cinnamon yet, i.e. using a text editor and checking all config files there are relating to Cinnamon.
So far I was not able to discover an "Always on top" setting for certain windows/applications that would/could overrule Cinnamon.
I hadn't heard of/come across "devilspie" before so thanks for that hint. I'll definitely give it a look.

The most honest reason why I'm trying to achieve this setup: force of habit. Yes, as simple and silly as that.

But why in this particular way?

  • there has "always" been a taskbar in the GUIs which I used (apart from Win3.1/3.11 ) and I like the concept and don't even use auto-hide for it. With my 16:10 aspect ratio monitors I don't even feel like that I sacrifice valuable screen real estate.
  • the taskbar permanently visible provides me with information on time, notifications, weather, CPU load, RAM usage, network transfer information and some more which I really like and I keep it relatively slim vertically
  • illogically at the same time I want to keep the taskbar "clean" from pinned starters&shortcuts which kind of is a direct contradiction to the previous bullet point - I know - and I prefer to keep the starters/shortcuts to programs and folders in an auto-hiding dock


So again, thanks for your feedback.
And your feedback did help in two regards: 1) sort of a confirmation that it's more likely a Cinnamon "issue" preventing me from achieving it and 2) you pointed me to another tool that might help.

Should I eventually manage to find a solution I shall post it to this thread. Who knows, maybe someone on the linuxmint forums will have helpful input.

Regards
rogerwilco

rogerwilco, Tuesday 04 September 2018 à 21:25 | Quote


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That "Guest, Tuesday 04 September 2018 à 21:20" post is actually from me. I hadn't noticed that when I logged in cookies were still set to be rejected and that I posted using a Guest "account".

Regards
rogerwilco

SQP, Thursday 06 September 2018 à 18:23 | Quote


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from the devilspie doc :
above Set the current window to be above all normal windows (returns TRUE).

below Set the current window to be below all normal windows (returns TRUE).

wintype
Set the window type of the current window (returns boolean). Accepted
values are: normal, dialog, menu, toolbar, splashscreen, utility,
dock, desktop.


Need to find the param between above and below (and test below).
Or maybe change the wintype to normal, or even force the width to half size, and move your dock to the other half

Note that once set, you don't need the devilspie daemon anymore (you can launch it and ctrl-C directly).

But I would more try to find a way to set everything I need in the dock (actually, that's what I do). I have a full system monitoring in my dock, on the left side since I switched to 16/10 or 16/9

Old screenshot, from top to bottom: Clock, Weather, Cpu, Ram/Swap, DiskActivity, DiskFree, NetActivity, Audio volume
https://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1397150635.png

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rogerwilco, Thursday 13 September 2018 à 09:17 | Quote


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@SQB

Hey SQB.

Thank you for the follow up. I'll be giving it another look on the weekend and will make a post regarding my progress on the matter.

Regards
rogerwilco

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